“It Makes Us All Schizophrenic”, Says Abortion Doctor

From the article “When Abortion Becomes Birth: A Dilemma of Medical Ethics Shaken by New Advances” by Dena Kleiman published Feb. 15, 1984. It was published in the New York Times.

“Told about the subject of this article, many doctors declined to return telephone calls. In one case, the director of obstetrics at a major New York hospital spoke in detail of an aborted infant’s survival last year, and the impact this event had on the hospital’s staff. The next day, he called back to deny the incident had ever occurred.”

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“While publicly the great majority of hospitals agree that any infant that survives an abortion or miscarriage should be kept alive, doctors acknowledge privately that the practice varies widely from hospital to hospital.”

”It’s necessary to remember that these days abortion is done on request and therefore not a procedure you undertake in the interest of the fetus,” said Dr. Gordon W. Douglas, the chief of obstetrics and gynecology at New York University Medical Center…”

”It makes us all schizophrenic,” said Dr. Richard Hausknecht, an associate clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Hospital who specializes in high risk pregnancies. ”Nowadays we are asked to terminate a pregnancy that in two weeks doctors on the same floor are fighting to save.”

The article then goes on to discuss how the new procedure, D & E (discussed elsewhere on this site) eliminates the possibility of live births, but is very upsetting to the doctors. It goes on at length in this vein.

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Dr. C Everett Koop on Babies Born Alive after Abortions

From the book Whatever Happened to the Human Race? by Francis Shaeffer and Doctor C. Everett Koop (former U.S. Surgeon General) Crossway Books, Westchester, Illinois.

“Of 607 second trimester abortions done at Mt. Sinai Hospital in Hartford, Connecticut, 45 resulted in live births. Although a fetus may live only a few hours, it must be pronounced dead by a physician, must receive both a birth and death certificate, and is sent to a funeral director for burial or cremation. A more expedient solution is offered in the publication of The International Correspondence Society of Obstetrics and Gynecologists (Nov 1974)

“At the time of delivery it has been our policy to wrap the fetus in a towel. The fetus is then moved into another room while our attention is turned to the care of the gravida (the mother) … Once we are sure her condition is stable, the fetus is evaluated. Almost invariably, all signs of life have ceased.”

“Hysterotomy gives the fetus the best chance for survival, but it is allowed to die through neglect or sometimes killed by direct act. In 1977 a Boston jury found Dr. Kenneth Edelin guilty of manslaughter for killing the fetus of this type of abortion. Dr. William J. Waddill, Jr., an obstetrician in California, was indicted and tried in 1977 for allegedly strangling to death a baby born alive following a saline abortion. The trial resulted in a hung jury when the judge introduced new thoughts on the California definition of death. The former mother-to-be sued for $17 million on grounds that she was not adequately informed of the possible outcome of the abortion.

“In 1977 the medical staff at Hollywood’s Memorial Hospital (Florida) protested, “We’ve had preemies that have lived that were less developed than some of the abortions were.”

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Live Births in Upstate New York

“Thirty-eight live births following induced abortion were recorded in Upstate New York between July, 1970, and December, 1972. Twenty-six followed saline-induced abortion; twelve of these occurred at one hospital, and eight were associated with one physician. Underestimation of gestation and exchange of inadequate volumes of amniotic fluid and hypertonic saline produced concentrations insufficient to cause intrauterine death. Viable infants with iatrogenic central nervous system damage from salt poisoning are a possible consequence of improperly planned saline-induced abortions.”

 

From the article “Reported live births following induced abortion: two and one-half years’ experience in Upstate New York” by Stroh G, Hinman AR on Medline. If thirty-eight babies were born alive in one part of N.Y. in only two years, how many were born alive in other parts of the country?

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The Advantages of the D&E Procedure: Fewer Live Births

In his textbook on how to do abortions, abortion practice, Dr. Warren Hern says the following:

“The advantages of the D&E procedure for the patient are significant. The complications rates are lower in most respects even in preliminary analysis. The time of terminations of the procedure is predictable, and preparation does not require overnight hospitalization. Parental or spouse consent is, therefore, not required, and confidentiality can be protected. The patient does not have to experience a prolonged and painful labor, which may be unproductive. She does not have to experience the expulsion of the fetus, which may or may not have signs of life, whereas in the strictly pharmacological approach, this event is common and the patient may be unattended when it happens.”

He also says, in chapter 5:

“The signs of fetal life on expulsion and the repugnance of dismemberment plague the alternatives in midtrimester abortion.”

“Abortion Practice” by Warren Hern, M.D., Boulder Colorado Abortionist published in 1984 by the J.B. Lippenott

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Abortionist Discusses Baby Born Alive

In his book Mortal Lessons: Notes on the Art of Surgery (New York: Simon & Shuster) 1976, author Richard Selzer describes watching a saline abortion. He says that after seeing this abortion, the abortionist took him aside.

“Later, in the corridor, the doctor explains that the law does not permit abortions beyond the 24th week. That is when the fetus may be viable, he says. We stand together for a moment, and he tells me of an abortion in which the fetus cried after it was passed.

“What did you do?” I asked him.

“There was nothing to do but let it live,” he says. “It did very well. A case of mistaken dates.”

 

This exchange was also quoted in Robert M. Baird and Stuart E. Rosenbaum The Ethics of Abortion: Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice. (New York: Prometheus Books 2001) p 24

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From 500 to 3000 Babies Born Alive After Abortions

Dr. David A. Grimes, veteran Planned Parenthood abortionist, was quoted saying that

“From 500 to 3,000 babies survive prostaglandin and hysterotomy abortions every year.”

David A. Grimes. “Second-Trimester Abortions in the United States.” Alan Guttmacher Institute, Family Planning Perspectives, November/December 1984.

Note: live births are more rare now than they were in the 1980s due to increased use of the D&E abortion procedure. However, they still happen – read more.

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Live Births “Happen All The Time”: Abortionist

Abortionist Enrique Gerbi of Detroit Memorial hospital performed an abortion in October 1984 which resulted in the live birth of a 29-week girl. He shrugged and said that

“It happens all the time. This is not the first time, and it won’t be the last. It happens all the time.”

 

28 week-old unborn baby

Note: while live births from abortion or less, now than they were in the 80s, due to the increased use of the D&E procedure rather than the saline or prostaglandin procedures, they still happen. Go here to learn more.

 

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Clinic Worker on the Difference Between Saline and D&E Abortions

“For the most part, the abortion industry stopped using saline and prostaglandin procedures because of the number of live births. A live birth means you have to let the baby die, or dispose of it in some distasteful way. Most second and third trimester abortionists use the D&E method, (dilation and evacuation) The abortionist uses large forceps to crush the baby inside the mother’s uterus and removes it in pieces. The side effects of live births and the mother going through labor are avoided. But it is a horrible procedure in which the baby must be re-constructed outside the uterus to be certain all the parts have been removed.”

Carol Everett, former owner of 2 abortion clinics and director of 4, on the procedures for second and third trimester abortions.

Quoted in an interview with her in the “Human Life Alliance Advertising Supplement” 1994.

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Aborted Baby Survives for Nearly a Day

21 week unborn baby

 

“For the second time in two days, [Madison, WI] University Hospital and Clinics officials have reported that an aborted fetus was delivered alive…the fetus, determined by doctors to be 22 weeks old…had been delivered…and then resuscitated, placed in the hospital’s pediatric unit and transferred…to Madison General. Tim Harper, spokesman at Madison General, said the baby died today at 1:30 a.m. of respiratory failure and other problems. University Hospital officials said an aborted fetus delivered Tuesday had been revived and survived nearly a day before dying Wednesday…Hospital officials would not reveal…what type of abortion was performed.”

 

Tacoma [WA] News Tribune, May 6, 1982, p. B6

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Clinic Worker Describes “Real Cute” Aborted Baby

Here is one mention of a saline abortion live birth in a book by a pro-choice author. Magda Denes, PhD, wrote the book In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death in an Abortion Hospital published by Basic Books Inc. in New York, 1976.

Here she quotes a clinic worker.

“The only time I thought about abortion in terms of religion was when I saw fetuses and one was born alive. I saw one of them, in fact, I even felt the heart beat. I touched it. It looked like a baby, but it was very tiny. It was real cute. Very quiet. In fact, it was starting to die. The heart beat was getting very low. It was going to Bellevue Hospital and the guy was saying “Oh, I don’t see why we have to take it over there, because it’s going to die anyway. Why go through all the trouble?”

–Miss Teresa Etienne, Counselor (pg 39)

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