Abortionist on fetal pain

Dr. David A Grimes, abortionist, referring to whether fetuses, particularly those younger than 29 weeks, feel pain:

“This is an unknowable question.”

Dr. Donald DeMarco Why I Am Pro-Life and Not Politically Correct (Corpus Christi, Texas: Goodbooks Media, 2017) 13

23 week old baby born premature. Does he feel pain?
23 week old baby born premature. Does he feel pain?
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Neurologist: Both preborn and premature babies feel pain

Dr. Paul Ranalli, Professor of neurology at the University of Toronto, has stated, in reference to the pain felt by premature babies:

“The only difference between a child in the womb at this stage or one born and therefore in an incubator, is how they receive oxygen – either through the umbilical cord or through the lungs. There is no difference in their nervous systems.”

Dr. Donald DeMarco Why I Am Pro-Life and Not Politically Correct (Corpus Christi, Texas: Goodbooks Media, 2017) 12

23 week old baby born premature. Abortions are legal at this stage in many parts of the US.
23 week old baby born premature. Abortions are legal at this stage in many parts of the US.
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NARAL uses the word “baby”; admits child in the womb feels pain

In 2015, NARAL Pro-Choice America, one of the most extreme pro-abortion groups in America, sent out a fundraising letter that called a preborn child a “baby” and admitted that a child in the womb feels pain at 20 weeks, which almost all pro-choice individuals vehemently deny.

The letter was signed by a NARAL supporter, Dana Weinstein, asking for donations to NARAL to fight HR 36, the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would ban abortions after 20 weeks (5 months).

The text was:

“When I was more than 20 weeks pregnant, my doctor discovered our baby had horrifying severe fetal anomalies that could not have been discovered earlier in pregnancy.

If I’d carried our wanted and loved baby to term, she would have survived only for a short time, in a world of immense suffering. So we chose to end our baby’s pain.”

Below is a scan of the letter.

naral-babyThese pro-abortion activists publicly admitted that a “fetus” is a baby and that when pro-lifers say the child can feel pain at 20 weeks, they are telling the truth.

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Premature babies and preborn babies react similarly to pain

Colleen A Malloy, M.D., Assistant Professor, Division of Neonatology at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, testifying before the House of Representatives on May 17, 2012, regarding the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act:

24 week preborn
24 week preborn

“With the advancement of in utero imaging, blood sampling, and fetal surgery, we now have a much better understanding of life in the womb than we did at the time that Roe V Wade was handed down. Our generation is the beneficiary of new information which allows us to understand more thoroughly the existence and importance of fetal and neonatal pain. As noted in my biography, I am trained and board-certified in the field of neonatology. The standard of care in my field recognizes neonatal pain as an important entity to be acknowledged, measured and treated…

When we speak of infants at 22 weeks Last Menstrual Period, for example, [20 weeks old], we no longer have to rely solely on inferences or ultrasound imagery because such premature patients are kicking, moving, reacting and developing right before our eyes in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit….

The cutoff point in this legislation is 20 weeks after fertilization… In today’s medical arena, we resuscitate patients at this age and are able to witness their ex–utero growth…

As we provide care for all these survivors, we are able to witness their experiences with pain. In fact, standard care for neonatal care infants requires attention to and treatment of neonatal pain. There is no reason to believe that a born infant would feel pain any differently than that same infant were he or she still in utero. Thus the difference between fetal and neonatal pain is simply the locale in which the pain occurs. The receiver’s experience of the pain is the same. I could never imagine subjecting my tiny patients to horrific procedures such as those that involve limb detachment or cardiac injection.

At 23 weeks in utero, a fetus will respond to pain (intrahepatic needling, for example) with the same pain behaviors as older babies: screwing up the eyes, opening the mouth, clenching hands, withdrawal of limbs. In addition, stress hormones rise substantially with painful blood puncture, beginning at 18 weeks gestation. This hormonal response is the same one mounted by born infants.

Moreover, the fetus and neonate born prior to term have an even heightened sensation of pain compared to an infant more advanced in gestation. There is ample evidence to show that while the pain system develops in the first half of pregnancy, the pain modulating pathways do not develop until the second half. It is later in pregnancy that the descending, inhibitory neural pathways mature, which then allow for dampening of the pain experience.

The fetus may actually be more sensitive than the older child [to pain].”

Richard and Rhonda White Confronting Abortion Distortions (Xulon Press, 2013) 37 – 38

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Neonatologist Robin Pierucci on fetal pain

Neonatologist Robin Pierucci talks about fetal pain:

“In the neonatal intensive care unit, I see premature babies at the edge of viability (23-24 weeks’ gestation) react to painful or uncomfortable procedures every day. For example, when you poke them for blood work, the babies wrinkle up their faces, kick their feet, clench their hands into tiny fists, curl their toes, arch their backs and try to wriggle away, or smack at the offending person. Just ask the nurses.

Measurable physiologic responses to noxious stimuli can include elevated heart and respiratory rates. …. Whether they are term or extremely immature, even though they can’t use words, babies in every neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) clearly do not react well to what the adults know are painful procedures….

Because of years at the bedside it makes sense to me that a later-stage fetus would experience the same reactions as prematurely born infants—who would receive anesthesia to prevent pain during and after their surgeries….

Because of how early in gestation I get to meet these tiny people, it is unthinkable to condone someone else literally tearing apart the same person I would attempt to save.”

Dr. Robin Pierucci “Neonatologist: Babies Do Feel Pain In The Womb. I’ve Seen It” The Federalist JANUARY 29, 2018

24 weeks
24 weeks

In many states, abortion is legal at this age.

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Baby in womb reacts to bright lights

Professor William Brennan recalls the following story about how a preborn baby reacts to bright lights:

“A dramatic example of how early the unborn baby responds to painful stimulus was revealed in the television special The Miracle Months, which features films of fetal development taken inside the womb. One particular sequence shows an unborn child of only 9 weeks gestation trying to shield himself from the camera lights by placing his hands over his eyes.”

William Brennan The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution (St. Louis, Missouri, 1983)

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9-10 weeks

 

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Director of Neurosurgery and Brain Research: fetus can feel pain

Professor Robert White, Director of Neurosurgery and Brain Research Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine says:

“The fetus within this timeframe of gestation, 20 weeks and beyond, is fully capable of experiencing pain….without question, all of this is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subjected to such a surgical procedure.”

Professor Robert White, Senate judiciary committee hearing no. 31, June 15, 1995, 70

Quoted in Troy Clark, Ph.D. Abortion Every 90 Seconds: The Whole Story (Kindle, 2015)

20 weeks
20 weeks

This is a medical diagram of a D&E, the procedure Professor Robert White is talking about:

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Abortionist: D&E procedure inflicts pain on baby

Dr. Anthony Levatino a former abortionist:

“If you refuse to believe this procedure [D&E] inflicts severe pain on that unborn child please think again.”

Steven Ertlet “Doctor who did 1200 abortions tells Congress to ban them” LifeNews May 23, 2013

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Below: Victim of a D&E abortion

Dismembered body of baby aborted at 20 weeks
Dismembered body of baby aborted at 20 weeks
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Babies in the womb react to pain, says pediatrician

14 week legs
14 week legs

Pediatrician Dr. HMI Liley:

“When doctors first began invading the sanctuary of the womb, they did not know that the unborn baby would react to pain” just as “violently as a baby lying in a crib” by “flaying out his tiny arms, wiggling his entire body, and crying.”

HMI Liley with Beth Day Modern Motherhood: Pregnancy, Childbirth, and the Newborn Baby (New York: Random House, 1969) 50

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If animals feel pain, what about preborn babies?

Many people who deny that aborted babies feel pain nevertheless believe animals feel pain. The brain of an preborn baby, even two months after conception, is as developed or more developed than those of many animals.  Professor of Perinatal Medicine Sir Albert William Liley testified on fetal pain:

“One of the problems about pain is that it is a peculiarly subjective and personal phenomenon. There is no biochemical or physiological test you can do to tell if anyone is in pain…But by the same token we have no proof that animals feel pain; we only infer that they do. But it seems charitable to infer that, otherwise there would be no point in having societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals…And in that regard I am prepared to charitably assume that the baby before birth feels pain because I would be reluctant to extend consideration to animals that I would withhold from a human.”

Quoted from Borowski v. The Attorney General of Canada, Transcript of Evidence and proceedings at Trial, page 194, Regina, Saskatchewan, May, 1983.

“ABORTION A Briefing Book For Canadian Legislators” Campaign Life Coalition NATIONAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE July 2002

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This preborn baby is capable of reacting to touch and moving independently. If someone assumes that fish and frogs feel pain, but a baby this developed (still in the first trimester) does not, are they being consistent?

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