Is a preborn baby a “person” or a “thing?”

Pro-Choice author Rob  Deters says:

“A woman’s right to choose is based on a simple premise: A fetus is not a person until it can live outside the womb. Until that point, it is up to the woman, for health, personal, economic or social reasons, to either carry to term or terminate the pregnancy. There is no “child” and there is no “person” – there is a thing.”

Rob  Deters “Women Should Have Right to Choose” The Badger Herald October 30, 2000

Is the baby below (legal to abort in all US states) a person or a thing?

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Nurses upset after seeing aborted baby move

When nurses at a New York hospital got upset at the sight of an aborted baby that moved, the physician said that it was nothing more than “a reflexive response of a spinal animal.”

Howard D. Kibel “Staff Reactions to Abortion: A Psychiatrist’s View” Obstetrics and Gynecology 39 (January 1972): 131

Quoted in William Brennan The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution (St. Louis, Missouri, 1983)

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Abortionist feels he is “destroying life”

From one abortionist:

“I never had any psychological adverse reaction except the occasional feeling that one was destroying life.”

Magda Denes In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death in an Abortion Hospital (New York: Basic Books, 1976) 141

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Medical journal: dismembering fetus is “distressing”

From the Journal of Medical Ethics:17-wks

“It is clear that physically dismembering and removing the fetus is emotionally distressing for the doctor. A doctor, therefore, has to overcome an element of revulsion in order to do a late term surgical termination of pregnancy… Dismemberment of a baby so violates a general human instinct that it is morally worse than destruction of the fetus by other means.”

Nicholas Johnson, Journal of Medical Ethics 1989, vol. 15, p 82

Jenny Bryan Abortion (East Sussex, England: Wayland Publishers Limited, 1991) 43

The following chart illustrates the procedure this article mentions:

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Abortionist describes “destructive process” of abortion

“[Abortionist] Dr. William B. Waddill said that saline produces “such a caustic and tremendously bad and hostile environment for the baby that it just creates an enormous destructive process.”

Quoted from The People of the State of California vs. William Baxter Waddill, Jr. Transcript of Preliminary Examination, in the Municipal Court of the West Orange County Judicial District, State of California, Case no. 77W2085 April 19, 1977

William Brennan The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution (St. Louis, Missouri, 1983)

Saline solution was injected into the amniotic sack to slowly poison the baby during abortion procedures. Today, the poison of choice is Digoxin. Witnesses say Dr. Waddill strangled a baby born alive after a botched saline abortion procedure.

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Disabled man: I would’ve Chosen to Live

Glenn Little, president of the Disabled Persons Association, in Victoria Australia, who has cerebral palsy:

“If I had been given the choice about whether I wanted to live with my brain damage or to be allowed to die, I would have chosen to live. I believe that I am serving a worthwhile purpose in my own way….

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever heard any disabled person say that they would prefer not to have been born. That’s after 20 odd years of mixing in and out of the disabled community. If another disabled person and I decided to have a child and we were told that the child would be born disabled, we would go ahead and have the child…

I think that if you find out during pregnancy that the baby is likely to have a disability you will find nine times out of 10 that they won’t know the severity…

The child might well grow up into someone like me or any of the other people you have met here at the Association today.

Should we have been aborted? It’s not just a question of what people need in the way of assistance – it’s also a question of what they can give.”

Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue (New York: Insight Books, 1995) 199

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Abortionist: Abortion is Killing

Dr. Bertran Wainer, abortion clinic founder and abortionist:

“Abortion is killing. Nobody can argue with that. When the fetus is inside the uterus it is alive and when the pregnancy terminated it is dead – that by any definition is killing. …

I think abortion is the destruction of something which is potentially irreplaceable, human and of great value, which is the tragedy of abortion. But it is not of greater value than the woman seeking the abortion.”

Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue (New York: Insight Books, 1995) 59

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Pro-Choice writer describes “terrible sense of emptiness”

Pro-Choice author Miriam Claire on her abortion:

“I was performing as a singer in “Evita” in London in 1984 when I discovered that I was pregnant… By coincidence, a colleague with whom I shared a dressing room discovered that she was pregnant at around the same time. She and her husband were thrilled with their news, but she became distressed at the thought that I was going to have an abortion. In total sincerity, she asked me if I would consider having the baby and letting her adopt it. I was utterly distressed at the thought of possibly giving up a child of mine for adoption. I thanked my colleague for her offer and tried to explain to her that just as her maternal instinct prompted her to make such an offer, my maternal instinct could never let me accept it. While I do believe that adopting out a child can be an expression of maternal protectiveness and caring, it was not my choice…

sonogram of 8 week old preborn baby
sonogram of 8 week old preborn baby

My experience was a struggle because I had not anticipated the terrible sense of emptiness that followed the abortion. It is probably difficult for those who are against abortion or who have not had one to understand that one can have an abortion without regret and yet still feel a deep sense of loss.… Abortion produces many conflicting emotions that are not necessarily reconcilable or logical… It is virtually impossible to know how you are going to react physically and emotionally after the abortion.”

Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue (New York: Insight Books, 1995) 11-12

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Abortionist has no compassion for fetuses

Abortionist Howard I. Diamond:

“I feel sorry for a starving cat. A fetus that nobody wants – that’s not sad.”

Norma Rosen “Between Guilt and Gratification: Abortion Doctors Reveal Their Feelings” New York Times Magazine April 17, 1977, p 75

16 weeks, Legal to abort.
16 weeks, Legal to abort.
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Pro-Choice author on disabled babies

Pro-Choice author Miriam Claire says that the only reason a woman would want to carry a disabled baby to term is religious belief. She says:

In my view, asking the community to fund personal religious beliefs is a questionable way to approach parenthood.

If you knowingly bring a disabled child into the world, you should be able and willing to pay for all costs associated with caring for that child…. A surprise disability that emerges after birth is clearly a different matter.

Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue (New York: Insight Books, 1995) 202

She believes babies born to mothers who knew they’d be disabled should not get health care or any benefits from the government.

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