Abortionist says telling women about fetal pain is “torment” to them

Abortionist Dave Turok, of Salt Lake City, talking about a bill that would require abortionists to tell their late-term abortion patients that their babies can feel pain:

“Turok said telling those women their fetuses feel pain is heaping torment upon torment. “These women have real pain,” he said. “They did not come to this decision easily. Creating another barrier for them to get the medical care they need is really unfair.”

According to The Salt Lake Tribune :

“The draft law allows doctors to remain silent in emergencies, cases of rape or incest or if the abortion is meant to prevent the birth of a child with “grave defects.”

Rebecca Walsh “Fetal pain advice bill sent back for rewrite” The Salt Lake Tribune February 4, 2006

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Reverend prays for abortion

In an article, Rev. Debra Haffner describes how she will pray for abortion:

“We will end our prayers with these words: “Bless us as we seek to create a more just world where all people have the right to make their own private reproductive decisions and obtain safe, legal, and accessible abortion services. Amen.”

Rev. Debra Haffner “Faithfully Supporting Access to Abortion ServicesHuffington Post 02/24/2016

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Pro-Abortion reverend “put women at ease” about their abortions

Rev. Jesse Lyons of Riverside Church was part of the Clergy Consultation Service, which referred women to illegal abortions before Roe v. Wade. All of those in the service were pastors or rabbis who were pro-abortion.

He describes the “counseling” he gave abortion minded women:

“I tried to put a woman at ease, to make her recognize abortion was not a matter of eternal damnation,” Lyons explained.”

Lawrence Lader Abortion II: Making the Revolution (Beacon Press, 1974) 46

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Woman happy she didn’t have to see ultrasound

One woman who had an abortion writes:

“I wasn’t going to let a broken condom be the reason my entire life would change….

I live in Washington state, where abortion services are very accessible. I made an appointment with Planned Parenthood and went in that next week. Because I was so early I was able to do the medical abortion on my own at home.

The amazing nurse was so helpful and could see how scared I was. She did the ultrasound (required to see how far along I was), and she kept the volume on mute and I didn’t have to see the ultrasound at all.”

Casey Gueren “Here’s What It’s Really Like To Have An Abortion” Buzzfeed January 21, 2017

Because the volume was on mute, this woman did not have to hear her baby’s heartbeat.

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Pro-Choice columnist: ultrasound makes pro-choicers squirm

Pro-Choice columnist William Saletan wrote:

“Pro-lifers are often caricatured as stupid creationists who just want to put women back in their place. Science and free inquiry are supposed to help them get over their “love affair with the fetus.”

But science hasn’t cooperated. Ultrasound has exposed the life in the womb to those of us who didn’t want to see what abortion kills. The fetus is squirming, and so are we.”

On laws requiring ultrasound before abortion:

“Critics complain that these bills seek to “bias,” “coerce,” and “guilt-trip” women. Come on. Women aren’t too weak to face the truth.

If you don’t want to look at the video, you don’t have to. But you should look at it, and so should the guy who got you pregnant, because the decision you’re about to make is as grave as it gets…

Come on. Women aren’t too weak to face the truth. …

Are ultrasound pushers trying to bias your decision? Of course. But of all the things they do to “inform” your decision, this is the least twisted…

The image on the monitor may look like a blob, a baby, or neither. It certainly won’t follow some senator’s script. All it will show you is the truth.”

William Saletan “Sex, Life, and Videotape” Slate APRIL 28 2007

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Reverend describes her abortions

Rev. Dr. Rebecca Todd Peters is Professor of Religious Studies. She writes about her abortions in her pro-abortion book, Trust Women: A Progressive Christian Argument for Reproductive Justice:

“We both wanted to have children, but we were also young, relatively poor students with a lot of educational debt. We felt it was important to build up our relationship and spend some time with each other before we had kids…

We were young and healthy, and although we were struggling economically, we had enough to get by … I was in seminary, and having a baby right then would seriously interrupt my studies and my future career.

I believed that my work on issues of social justice was important; it was my calling in my life. In my prayer and my discernment, I knew that this was not the right time for me to become a mother.…

The truth was, I didn’t want it – the pregnancy or a child. I had regularly used contraception to prevent it, I didn’t bond with it, and I never entered into relationship with it …  Those dividing cells were never a child for me.

Having had three subsequent planned and wanted pregnancies, I know the difference between embracing and rejecting a pregnancy.

A miscarriage at the same point in a wanted pregnancy would’ve been a much more tragic loss for me. It was a pregnancy, but it was never a “baby.”…

I had testified before Presbyterian committees and general assemblies that if my birth control failed, I would likely have an abortion if I wasn’t ready to be a mother. … the decision to have an abortion was neither traumatic nor tragic.

I did not experience it as a theological crisis or as an act that separated me from God. …

I have never regretted my decision or felt any lingering guilt or sadness after my immediate experience of the pregnancy and abortion. My first abortion was not a tragic decision.”

Peters seems to feel that a woman is carrying a baby if she wants the child and “dividing cells” if she does not. But the way a woman feels toward her baby does not change the nature of what her baby is. The child is not a baby only if the mother wants her.

Peters had a child, and then a second abortion. Peters second abortion was done because the child had down syndrome and a heart defect that could have been corrected by surgery:

“… By my 18th week, a diagnosis of multiple severe heart defects that would require open-heart surgery in the first year of life and Down syndrome.

While we never thought we would have another abortion, we were suddenly faced with another unexpected life situation that required serious moral reflection…

Medical technology has advanced in truly remarkable ways. In our situation, it offered both the advanced knowledge of our prenate’s diagnosis and the possibility of open-heart surgery. It was now our responsibility to figure out what to do with this information.

We had to discern whether we were prepared or willing to parent this medically and socially fragile potential child that I carried.

The fact that this was a deeply wanted pregnancy meant that the situation was nothing like my first abortion.

Although my marriage was now solid, I was still concerned for the health of my marriage and I had to think about the obligations that we had to our three-year-old, my calling and vocation as a Christian ethicist and college professor, and my awareness of my own gifts and limitations as a parent.…

My husband and I knew that ending the pregnancy was the right decision for us. But in contrast to our first experience of abortion, this experience was wrenching. We grieved deeply over our loss, but the loss was the loss of our imagined child, the social being we had created in our minds as all would be parents do.…

For very personal reasons, we decided to end the pregnancy.

Rebecca Todd Peters Trust Women: A Progressive Christian Argument for Reproductive Justice (Boston, Massachusetts: Beacon Press, 2018) 24 – 25, 26, 27-28

Peters says this abortion was different than the last one, but it still came down to the fact that parenting the child would have required sacrifices and interfered with her career.

Peters says that her first abortion was done early, but the second baby was 18 weeks along.

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Student says he supports abortion because he hates using condoms

Pro-life author Dr. Donald DeMarco recalls a conversation with a college student about abortion. The male college student said:

“I hope abortion remains legal since I hate to use the condom.”

Dr. Donald DeMarco Why I Am Pro-Life and Not Politically Correct (Corpus Christi, Texas: Goodbooks Media, 2017) 36

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Writer calls aborted baby photos the “Achilles Heel” of the pro-abortion movement

From author Gene Burns:

“Even those who do not accept that babies are killed during abortions know that, politically, graphic images of fetuses that bring to mind babies are the Achilles’ heel of attempts to liberalize abortion laws. To the extent that there is discomfort with abortion among the general population, concerns about the relationship of abortion to babies is clearly the reason.”

Gene Burns The Moral Veto: Framing Contraception, Abortion, and Cultural Pluralism in the United States (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2005) 24

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Pro-Choicer: women are aware of what is in their wombs

Pro-choice activist Kathleen Reeves writes about laws requiring sonograms before abortions:

“I think we can be pretty sure that a woman about to have an abortion is aware of what’s inside her womb. And in case she’s not, the doctors who counsel her before the abortion are perfectly capable of telling her….

The legislators behind these bills are arrogant in assuming they have something to say to a woman about her “womb.”

There’s no doubt that, as a woman, it’s hard to predict how you’ll feel after an abortion. But an image of the fetus sheds no light on the decision and adds nothing to the emotional process.

On the other hand, having a cadre of politicians take this image by force does add something to the experience: the sense of having been intimidated, assumed stupid, and even violated. “

Kathleen Reeves“Ultrasound Before Abortion: A Wasteful Bullying Tactic” RH Reality Check February 11, 2009

So what are women aware of that is in their wombs? Reeves refuses to come out and say.  She may be tacitly admitting that women know they are pregnant with babies, or she may only mean that women are aware of fetal development. A look at women’s stories seems to indicate otherwise.

The same stories will show that abortion workers do not give information about fetal development to women.

Seeing an image of a baby in the womb must add to the “emotional process” of the abortion decision or pro-choicers would not oppose these laws so vehemently.

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Pro-choice activist talks about “dangers” of relying on science

A pro-abortion activist talked about how pro-choice people should not rely on science in order to defend abortion. This may be a tacit admission that all the legitimate science is on the side of the pro-lifers:

“Sally Sheldon points to the dangers that pro-choice campaigners can face if they rely on framing their arguments within the terms of medical science. The attraction is that such arguments are often perceived as “objective” and part of an approach that cites incontrovertible facts rather than opinions.

But abortion is not simply a medical or scientific issue; it is political and personal. Science does not confer bodily autonomy on women. The right to have access to abortion and birth control has had to be fought for and defended in wider society.”

Judith Orr Abortion Wars: The Fight for Reproductive Rights (Bristol, UK: Policy Press, 2017) 94

Read about what science says on when life begins.

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